r/sadposting • u/ReasonableMedium5265 • 16h ago
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I remember watching this for the first time in middle schoolâŚđđ
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u/69BigED69 16h ago
What is this movie
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u/ReasonableMedium5265 16h ago
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
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u/69BigED69 16h ago
Thanks
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u/cryptodako 16h ago
Great/Sad movie
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u/JoelnIliketoshare 16h ago
Most only watch it once, and that's enough.
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u/Fun_Reply5366 15h ago
We had to watch it in English class back at school, was brutal
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u/NewIndependence7027 15h ago
I watched it in RE, we were all traumatised that day
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u/Puzzled-Secret-317 14h ago
I was still young when this came out and wasn't interested. Now, it seems like an amazing movie that I need to watch
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u/Accomplished-Leg6947 16h ago
My wife and I watched it and were a little confused as to how the movie was supposed to make us feel. Like obviously the ending and what happened to the kid sucks. But it felt like it was trying to get us to sympathize with a nazi family and thatâs a pretty big hard pass for us
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u/Icy-General3657 15h ago
As a Jewish person whose family fled Europe due to them, itâs highly inaccurate and tries to portray German society as the victim/unknowing. Is it a ok movie? Yeah for sure. Is it highly inaccurate and morally kinda shitty, yeah
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u/Neat_browser 15h ago
1/3 participated, 1/3 were victims, 1/3 looked away and tried to live. Its very similar to how Americans vote, so obviously the lesson was never passed on.
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u/awake1984 15h ago
It's stupid when ppl think in absoulutes and what you wrote is much much more accurate.
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u/wannaBuildASnowplow 15h ago
Not unknowing,
wilfully oblivious.
The children truly didnât know. The adults just went with the flow.
For me the description in the movie was very close to the truth.
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u/Ok-Imagination-3835 15h ago
It's a cautionary tale of what happens if you go with the flow when your humanity is telling you otherwise
... not relevant to today's world or anything
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u/RedeNElla 4h ago
The propaganda was targeted at children, too. They wouldn't have been so unaware because the dehumanisation required starts with children
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u/RumorRoost 14h ago
While I fully understand the inaccuracy view. Having watched it several times I have never once felt it displayed Germans as victims. And whine everyone close to a camp would know what it is. There is plenty of evidence that many Germans/Poles, etc. had no idea.
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u/Accomplished-Leg6947 15h ago
Yeah I could only imagine how infuriating a movie like this would be to people who were affected by the nazis awful regime.
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u/Geneo-Frodo 13h ago
Indeed but I do find it to be quite an accurate analysis of how human societies gradully descend to inhumanity. It's never one leap or step and many voices are silenced and fear Mongered.
As an african I just don't believe that every German was a Nazi or a nazi supporter back then.
I live in a pretty unstable region of the continent and from watching all the wars and instabilities around me I've come to Learn that it's always a concoction of different factors that leads a society down a certain horrific path and the 1st thing that happens is that the naysayers of the new depraved order are usually the 1st targets along with the unwanteds.
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u/Icy-General3657 13h ago
The âGerman people didnât knowâ trope is infuriating. My people were Germans. And were kicked out and killed by Germans. The citizens saw it all, itâs a lie they didnât know
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u/rjamxy 13h ago
But there was a nonsignificant group that just have to go with the flow to survive... I would not go as far to call them victims.... But they were oblivious, or they though that "they (Nazis)would not go that far" etc etc.... I mean look at USA and what ICE is doing.... People are relatively free to stand up against bad thing, and how many are doing it? Now imagine that standing up will cost you your freedom, your life, life of your kids..... For that look no further then Russia...
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u/wannaBuildASnowplow 15h ago
For me the point was that you feel sorry for the family and identify yourself with the Nazis.
The message to me was itâs not you today but it will be you tomorrow.
And that is still true to this day. Today ICE is going after immigrants and trans rights are stripped away. Tomorrow it will be black people and homosexuals. Soon it will be everyone but rich white Maga man.
Nazis were not horrible monsters. But just people living their lives day by day and things changing around them.
Complacency is the killer of human decency
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u/theoccasionalempath 15h ago
Baby they been killing black folks đ and indigenous folks and trans folks etc.
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u/throwaway0845reddit 8h ago
Ice is already going after many legal immigrants when they said they wouldnât. Not criminals. Legal immigrants who have a visa approval document from Uscis. So your visa for example runs out in 3 years. You are in USA and you ask for a renewal. Uscis approves it and gives you a renewal document. This document has an I-94 which allows you to stay in the USA for another 3 years.
If you leave the USA you have to first get a stamped VISA for this new approval in your passport since the last one expired. But doesnât mean you have to leave USA. If you have the approval doc, youâre allowed to stay in USA. You only need a visa when you leave and have to reenterIce is arresting people at domestic airports for not having that new visa in their passport. This makes no sense even when they have the document.
Many of those thugs donât know that you donât need a non expired visa to stay here as long as you have an approval and an i94. Itâs just needed to reenter. They just look at the expired visa and arrest people. Itâs insane.
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u/SexualCarrots 6h ago
That's what I got from it was the complacency. The father looked sheepish about what they were burning, as if they were complacent rather than active. And that complacency and sheepishness was exactly why the kid wasn't afraid to go in.
To me it proclaimed that those were bad things.
It would sure be unfortunate if the intended message or even the message that reached people was to feel bad for the Nazis.
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u/awake1984 15h ago
How about maybe, if you turn a blind eye on a problem or you take the side of bad ppl that wont make you immune to the horrors/injustice that they cause.
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u/wiretapfeast 15h ago
It absolutely was. And that's the big problem with using it to teach children history.
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u/DiscussionSharp1407 15h ago
Try this next time you watch it: It's bad when kids die, yes even *their* kids
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u/SparkEE_JOE 15h ago
It shows a different perspective, which I appreciate. I think it's a good thing to see all points of view - to truly learn the history of what happened. Regardless of if I agree with the characters or not.
Humans are a spectrum. Every event and conflict has a spectrum of opinions, circumstances, misinformation, misunderstandings, ignorance, etc etc etc. To homogenize each side down to stereotypes and assumptions is a bad practice and a disservice to learning history.
Do you have to sympathize with a Nazi family? Of course not, but it helps to understand their point of view and how the Nazi regime affected Germans as well. Good context historically for the movie.
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u/CaLiLiFe619 14h ago
Youâre supposed to sympathize with the innocence of the children that went through that.
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u/Wesselton3000 14h ago
> was trying to get us to sympathize with a Nazi family
Thatâs a very shortsighted way of looking at it and you both have completely missed the point. You seemingly have missed the irony that a family of Nazis lost their son to the very genocide they supported. Additionally, as shown in this clip, the family, clearly aware of how horrendous the camps are, attempt to hide the atrocities they support from their innocent son. The added irony being that even though they explicitly support the Holocaust, they are aware at some level that it is something they should protect their child from, and that hiding that evil is ultimately what led him to sneaking in.
The ending is simply displaying the expected emotional response of a parent losing their child. Nazis werenât completely incapable of feeling emotion, especially for their own family, but they did support something very evil. the point of the story isnât to focus on their grief, itâs to point out exactly what you intuitedâ that the Nazi ideology is evil, and families that supported it developed a certain cognitive dissonance: knowing that itâs evil (I.e. hiding it from their son) yet supporting it anyway. Itâs a critique of the Nazi ideology and the people that supported, more than an attempt to garner sympathy. If the story makes us feel any sympathy, itâs for the victims of this genocide (something it obviously puts a great deal of focus on).
If you sympathized with anything, it was simply that a parent lost a child, not that a Nazi had an ironically tragic fate. It can be both: children dying is sad, and Nazis are evil. If youâre still up in arms over them showing the grieving parents, think of any number of tragedies (the genre, not an event)â in order to highlight a characters tragic flaw, you need to show the consequences to their actions. The scenes of the parents grieving is precisely thatâ their ideology of hate comes full circle and itâs that hate that ultimately led to their downfall I.e. losing their son. Sure, it would be great if they figured out that Nazism is evil without it directly effecting them, but that neither reflects reality nor makes for a compelling story.
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u/Trippingthru99 13h ago
I donât think youâre supposed to sympathize with the family? They willfully let all of this happen, and now theyâre getting a taste of their own medicine. How much more simple can it be than that.Â
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u/Illimited_Esoterica 13h ago
The movie doesn't know either because the book its based on is completely fake and historically inaccurate. Zero parts of the book or movie are actually accurate to the real holocaust. It's a Hallmark movie set during the holocaust that mostly just wants you to be sad about a completely fabricated scenario.
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u/LilJelloCat 13h ago
I mean, it's getting you to sympathize with kids despite their beliefs, race ethnicity etc. I never got the feeling so much to sympathize with the parents, though you feel bad for them, it's more so about the kids. I don't think it's that deep.
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u/Anonymousmale2000 13h ago
Well what do you think about British they killed more people than Nazis.
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u/C0nan_E 16h ago
Missinfo the movie. It trys to contextualize the holocaust by giving the ppl faces.... And making the nazis the real victim of it... No kidding. The movie pretends all the ppl where ignorant of what was happening and the security was so lax the son of the camp commander could not only form a close friendship with an imprisoned jew boy but also tunnel under the fence and get gassed without ever knowing the Konzentration kamp was anything other than a fun vacation stay. The movie and book then try to make you feel sad for the family the father of which is the FUCKING COMMANDER OF THE CAMP. And not the countless ppl that got 'exterminatet'. the nazi family because they killed their own kid on accident. And thats the real tragedy.
Fuck this movie and fuck this book.
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u/HonestWeevilNerd 14h ago
Really poor take, honestly.
You assume that showing a Nazi officer's grief positions the Nazis as the "real victims." The narrative centers on Bruno's childish, innocent perspective as a deliberate literary device. The emotional climax relies on dramatic irony: the tragedy is not that a Nazi family suffered, but that the exact machinery of death the father engineered consumed his own son. The grief is the punishment, not a bid for audience pity.
The whole point was genocide can remain abstract and palatable to totalitarians right up until the consequences cross their own threshold. The fatherâs agony highlights the ultimate hypocrisy of fascism... dehumanizing millions while expecting immunity for one's own blood.
Finally criticizing the story for historical inaccuracies regarding camp security or a child's ignorance ignores the genre entirely. The book is subtitled A Fable. Fables rely on simplified, parable-like dynamics to convey a moral message rather than meticulous procedural accuracy.
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u/Durtonious 6h ago
The fact that anybody can come away from this thinking it portrays Nazis as victims is proof that media literacy is dead. This whole comment section is full of the most surface-level takes imaginable.Â
You hit the nail right on the head, "ordinary" people can block out all kinds of horrors via wilful blindness until it touches them personally and suddenly it becomes a real problem.
Yes you can sympathize with them as a fellow human, the same way you may sympathize with an anti-abortion voting husband who lost his wife during a dangerous (yet avoidable) pregnancy, but there's that tinge of "well, you asked for this..." that makes the morality really uncomfortable to process.Â
Why do I feel bad for this person when they are "bad"? OR is it okay that I don't feel bad or am I using my moral judgement to avoid having to process uncomfortable feelings? It's called DEPTH and some films used to have it without needing to hit the audience over the head with the "message" over and over again.
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u/FetchingTheSwagni 13h ago
Actually, both takes are pretty solid. It's also kind of the point, to get people talking and debating.
You see it as a good message, they see it as a bad message, and honestly both takes are good and worth discussion.
Because while your take understands the goal of the story, their take understands the outcome of the reality. Both opinions are needed to continue to spread awareness of how awful Fascism is, and how evil the Nazi regime was.
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u/Viyarara 2h ago
its wrong to dehumanize nazis because that just falls into the same trap they did âi know X and they would never do something like thatâ
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u/Altruistic-Title-920 6h ago
Agreed. I did not see this movie as trying to humanize Nazis. They were disgusting throughout the whole movie. It gave me conflicting emotions between feeling bad for innocent Bruno and schadenfreude towards the rest of his family
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u/looking_at_birds 15h ago
Did we not just see the father of the boy try to avoid the topic when he definitely knew something else was up?
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u/Miss_Worldly 14h ago
My take is that if someone finds themselves sympathizing with the family, there's just 1 more step to start to reflect on why it's "only" sad when the free boy gets sent in. He and the boy inside were intentionally depicted to be similar. Once both were on the inside, they were both viewed as trash. That is, the only thing distinguishing them were the clothes they wore and the location they were in.
The tragedy is the perspective that anyone deserves such a fate, and the government supporting that perspective.
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u/fortuneandfameinc 15h ago
Huge numbers of the german population didnt know what was going on in the concentration camps. Even line soldiers were not fully aware of what the SS was up to.
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u/RHUNEOX 15h ago
Exactly holy shit I'm no nazi sympathizer I'm a humanity sympathizer but the people saying everyone knew are just zealous and angry at history
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u/TheWhomItConcerns 5h ago
There is broad consensus among experts on the topic that the German public broadly understood what was going on, even if they didn't know all of the specifics. Jewish people were being publicly rounded up, they were used as slave labour by both the military and some of the biggest corporations in Germany, Mein Kampf in which Hitler detailed his vicious contempt for the Jews and their "inferior genetics" was broadly distributed all over Germany, Hitler gave widely publicised speeches where he called the Jews "vermin" and "parasites", and all of this was actively publicised in propaganda and the media.
Germans understood what was going on, and anyone who said otherwise was at best being willfully and deliberately blind. The German people were absolutely complicit in the Holocaust, and this attempt to pretend otherwise is literally just fascist propaganda.
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u/dermthrowaway26181 14h ago
I mean yeah, they generally didn't know the specific methods used.
But about all Germans knew that the goal was total extermination of the Jewish people since the party explicitly told them, millions were directly involved in the killings through the work camps, the killing camp, the army, the railway system, etc.
People saw their neighbors get abducted and never come back.
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u/binzy90 16h ago
I watched this movie by myself late at night when I was home from college for winter break. I don't know why I picked this movie, but I've literally never cried so hard in my life.
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u/glass_cask 13h ago
Same and same! Everything else on Netflix must have looked terrible.
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u/an0mn0mn0m 15h ago edited 5h ago
I just started watching it now. The opening scenes are like an ICE raid on undesirable individuals and families. History is repeating itself.
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You don't understand.
You can block me if you want, but for everyone else I've edited my original comment.
I tried to understand why the Nazi's and the Zionists are doing what they are doing. There are many complex reasons that made their people feel totally justified in hating their victims. Just like the little girl from this movie, but the boy held onto his humanity.
Ultimately there's nothing more to understand when people value the life of others so little, that they commit crimes like this. Maybe you should understand how Palestinians and ICE victims feel.
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u/bnjmnddd 6h ago
I picked this movie for a first date night in with my wife. Did not read the overview, just heard it was good. Ordered Chinese food and chilled at home just married.
Had to watch a comedy afterwards.
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u/Smart_Freedom_8155 6h ago
Why are we supporting the YouTube Shorts / TikTok brainrot sloppification of movie summaries here?
Let's not. We can be better.
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u/Electrical-Fudge616 2h ago
My brother you're literally posting on the slop training website
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u/BlaineMundane 16h ago
I watched this movie randomly because I thought it would be some sort of whimsical fantasy movie. Over time though, I realized I'd made a mistake.
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u/bbobeckyj 13h ago
Why so many bot accounts??
Badly written and acted book and film with one trick that was predictable from the title.
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u/wiretapfeast 16h ago edited 6h ago
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas is heavily criticized by historians and Holocaust education organizations for historical inaccuracies, shifting emotional sympathy toward the family of a Nazi perpetrator, and promoting dangerous misconceptions about the genocide.
Historical Implausibility: Camp Security: A young child like Bruno could not have regularly walked up to and conversed through a high-voltage barbed-wire fence of an active extermination camp without being detected or shot by guards.
Survival of Children: Any children arriving at a death camp like Auschwitz-Birkenau were sent directly to the gas chambers upon arrival, meaning a peer like Shmuel would not have survived inside the camp to roam or work freely.
Naive Ignorance: A high-ranking Nazi commandant's son living adjacent to the camp would have been heavily indoctrinated by the Hitler Youth, making his total lack of awareness regarding Hitler and the camp's true nature unrealistic.
Distortion of Empathy and Perspective Centering the Perpetrator: The emotional climax and tragedy of the story focus on the grief of the German commandant's family after Bruno dies, which sidelines the systemic murder of millions of Jewish victims.
Flawed Educational Value: The Auschwitz Memorial and Museum and other educational bodies have stated that the book and film should be avoided in classrooms because they blur historical truths and rely on an implausible fable rather than facts.
Authorâs Defense, Fictional Framing: Author John Boyne has defended the work by describing it as a "fable" or a moral tale rather than a strict historical textbook, arguing that it is meant to explore human nature rather than document precise camp logistics.
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u/gothcabaal 16h ago
Why you talk like chatgpt?
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u/3dforlife 16h ago
Just guess.
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u/benvader138 15h ago
Copy-paste
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u/thederevolutions 10h ago
Itâs quite deflating to finish reading so many words only to realize it wasnât a real opinion
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u/regularEducatedGuy 5h ago
Itâs not an opinion whatsoever, itâs a short description and report on criticisms of the media posted about. Get some media literacy and draw opinions by yourself. How embarrassing.
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u/mrbulldops428 9h ago
The opinion is common enough that the only reason i clicked this post was to see how far I had to scroll to see someone mention it
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u/awuweiday 15h ago
Jojo Rabbit was also not a true story for anyone curious. There's no evidence Hitler was an imaginary friend.
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u/WandererFen 15h ago
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If they want to believe in their imaginary Hitler buddy then I say, what's the harm? /s
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u/Cheap_Law5646 12h ago
Yah, if you want a historically accurate war movie, go watch Tropic Thunder.
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u/AsleepPomegranate930 12h ago
Im tired of Tom Cruise being such a goat lieutenante military heavy duty USA guy and people think he is just an actor
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u/Bean-Counter 8h ago
Then how come they never found his body? There isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest that Hitler ever took a corporeal form.
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u/Odd-Scientist-2529 16h ago
The authorâs defense is the important part. Itâs obviously historically inaccurate and implausible(starting from nobody noticing the kids meeting) itâs a storyâŚ. Historical fiction⌠and the backdrop of the holocaust was a literary shortcut just like any war storyâŚ. Sound of Music, Summer of My German Soldier.
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u/IndyDino 14h ago
I think the author/filmmaker did an amazing job!
I watched it in my teenage years, around the time it came out (2008-2009).
The 2 thoughts I was left with were:
How people don't really think and care about other people until it's their loved ones who are being affected. That it's somewhat easy for some to turn a blind eye to other people's suffering and even cause it if it's not directly affecting them.
And that every person who was killed in the chambers had their own family, loved ones and it's easy to overlook it as numbers killed rather than actual lives lost.It's been almost 20 years and I haven't re-watched it since, that's what my teenage mind gathered, and if I'm left with these thoughts and ideas so many years later, they did a great job and fuck the historical accuracy if it manages to leave such an impression!
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u/Odd-Scientist-2529 14h ago
Agreed. The take home point isnât the history lesson, itâs the life lesson.
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u/C0nan_E 13h ago
"That it's somewhat easy for some to turn a blind eye to other people's suffering and even cause it if it's not directly affecting them."
Thats one of the main issues. if you step over corpses everyday its not easy to ignore. ignoring the current genocide in gaza is easy from abroad. but living in a camp where hundreds of ppl are killed daily you cant be ignorant. Ppl knew. everyone knew. like in america everyone right now knows what ice are doing. and they only occasionally kill ppl openly in the street. not literal millions.→ More replies (1)2
u/PirateSwarm 12h ago
For the sake of argument I have to point out that this is a flawed comparison. With ice being current day, most people have access to cameras/videocameras and the Internet. So word gets around faster and easier. Also turning a blind eye until it affects you is a common problem when viewed broadly. Abusable laws and death penalty can be a problem for the falsely accused but there are people who still support it, non of which have been falsely convicted themselves. Or how in lots of stories/real life people let the mob do what they want because if they ignore it then the mob (probably) won't go after them. So it may not hold up in a literal way everytime, but it is a problem and using a well know example to point out the problem of willful ignorance is a sound story telling option.
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u/opaqueambiguity 13h ago
Yeah like, ok, bro just snuck in but nobody ever thought to sneak out alright.
Stupid ass movie.
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u/SirReddalot2020 15h ago
I missed the part where they said it was a documentary.
Of course itâs inaccurate. It still tears your heart apart and you will never watch that movie a second time. Itâs still something that has a central theme that any sane person should despise and vote accordingly.
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u/CocktailPerson 8h ago
Yeah but why does it tear your heart apart? What is the central theme?
The main thing that distinguishes it from all the other historical fiction about the Holocaust is that someone who wasn't "supposed" to be in the camp dies. At the end, only one person's death is given any emotional weight. Rather than making you care about the death of someone actually being persecuted by the Nazi regime, it focuses on the effect that a little boy's death has on members of the Nazi party. It's way too fucking easy to walk away after watching the movie or reading the book and forget that nobody should have been in those camps.
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u/Tonic_The_Alchemist 13h ago
That's interesting, I noticed a lot of the histical facts I had learnt growing up after studying shindlers list in school for a semester have changed over time, for example, what actually happened to children arriving
I almost done want to speak on it because I'm afraid of offending someone but when ya think about it, almost everyone from then if gone now yet it still feels like a fresh wound
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u/Toxic_Duckies 16h ago
I watched this in school. I believe we also watched the Devil's Arithmetic too. Both broke my heart.
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u/wiretapfeast 15h ago
The Devil's Arithmetic was such a fantastic book. I read it in 6th grade and it has stayed with me for decades.
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u/RhubarbGoldberg 13h ago
Same, the memory of that book has been burned into my mind. I think I first read it around 5th or 6th grade too. I always get chills when I encounter the name Rivka.
The HBO movie is a very decent adaptation, especially for the time and budget!
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u/Dope_horse22 13h ago
And why people never talk ill of Life is Beautiful? It manages to "water down" what holocaust was through the use of bad taste "comedy" I hate that movie to its guts and I will die of this hill, one of the worst movies I've seen in my life.
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u/AgentAxillary 7h ago
All the reactive typical Redditors dragging this comment in the replies, and yet it's still at +191
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u/Verga_due 13h ago
Yeah, it kinda went from ânever againâ to âour turn nowâ.
I have all the sympathy for the people that died in occupied Poland. The current ones not so much.
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u/Cakers44 14h ago
Nah this movie is kind of ass according to folks who actually study and educate others about the holocaust
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u/Temp_Temperature 16h ago
Nah, that movie is inaccurate shit. Literally, people who study Holocaust warn against showing it to kids cause it lessens the horrors of it, so kids that watch it get a very wrong picture of what it was like
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u/Odd-Scientist-2529 16h ago
Itâs blatantly and obviously inaccurate. Starting from thereâs no way the kids met like that without anyone noticing. But anyone who likes the film wasnât watching it because of a history lesson.
As a fan of historical fiction⌠the point of the story is the story. The setting can be as made up as sci fi⌠but a âworldâ the reader can visualize is helpful
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u/JarJar1855 16h ago
But a large number of people do think it was a real story and thatâs the problem (in my opinion jojo rabbit is a far superior work of historical fiction that people understand is not a true story)
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u/YuenglingsDingaling 14h ago
Honestly, that's their own fault. Reacting to any story with a historical setting a fact is insane.
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u/Temp_Temperature 16h ago
But anyone who likes the film wasnât watching it because of a history lesson.
THEY ARE LITERALLY USING IT AS A HISTORY LESSON FOR KIDS!!! Even it they weren't it would be pretty fucking terrible to downplay the horor of the holocaust in the movie. Especially cause people are lazy and won't check wether something they saw in a movie is accurate or not.
The setting can be as made up as sci fi⌠but a âworldâ the reader can visualize is helpful
Not when you are talking about the fucking holocaust. You aren't writing an enemies to lovers romance in a 1070 European village with the characters wearing 1860s gowns, you are writing about the deaths of real fucking people and a real evil that people are actively trying to downplay.
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u/Latte-Catte 6h ago
Literally nothing in this short clips were downplaying anything about the Holocaust, if there were stupid kids and adults who took this film as their bible of Auschwitz that's entirely their own ignorance fault. We can see the horror of death march and both kids getting burned to death, sometimes writers are allowed to play into the naivety of the audience through the POV of another child who's living as comfortable life as them, who are just as ignorant of the genocide. It's just a movie made for kids, to make it more palpable for kids, they're going to grow up and get another ww2 history class later in middle school and high school for more realistic context.
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u/Teehus 1h ago
I'm currently reading it (3/4 done) and it's such a weird concept. It almost reads like a children's book, but without previous knowledge of the holocaust it doesn't actually get any information across. Sure Shmuel gives Bruno glimpses into what happened to him and what life in Auschwitz is like, but so far Bruno simply ignores what he says or compares it to his own (comfortable) life. So far there hasn't been any meaningful learning curve. To be fair, it is written from the perspective of a 9 year old, so it can't really realistically be expected that he grasps whats going on, but that just makes him an unsuited protagonist if the horrors of the camp aren't portrayed in any other meaningful way.
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u/melancholyjaques 10h ago
If you think this movie isn't absolute horseshit go watch Zone of Interest
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u/wiretapfeast 16h ago
Exactly. I'm getting downvoted for saying the same thing on another thread here. Ridiculous.
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u/Temp_Temperature 16h ago
Yes! The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that it's placing sympathy on the Nazis, because I didn't see it that way. It was just showing terrible people finally being affected by their own inhumanity and only caring about it when it hurt them. Altho I definitely see how someone could sympathise with them, which for a movie with this subject matter is really irresponsible for the author.
Educators about holocaust have literally warned about using it as a learning tool and I'd go as far as to say don't show it to kids cause they don't fully understand what holocaust was. Apparently it got so bad some kids though this kids death was why they stopped the holocaust. Fucking shoot me.
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u/philphyx 13h ago
The Pianist- The normalization of cruelty and suffering stays with you
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u/Prestigious_Pause536 13h ago
I used to go to a waldorf school, and I remember my theater teacher trying to get us to use this movie as a stage play. Problem was, most of us hadn't watched that movie and most of my 8th grade classmates didn't take the holocaust seriously. We also hadn't properly discussed the topic in history class and multiple kids were close to becoming full-blown neonazis from the lack of education.
So, she had us do these "creative excercises" where we were supposed to come up with, and play a scene involving the two characters (I forgot what they were called, I only remember that one of them was called Schmuel because everyone made fun of his name). This somehow escalated to at least five different people roleplaying that they were being gassed as a "joke" and someone pretending they were being beaten up by a guard. Teacher did nothing. This was GERMANY, mind you, in the 2020s. We don't make jokes like that over here for obvious reasons. Pissed me off so incredibly bad that I realized why waldorf schools are so controversial.
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u/badaharami 15h ago
If anyone wants to watch another really good Holocaust movie, watch Son of Saul. Its a Hungarian movie that won the Oscar for foreign language movie. I found it better than this one.
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u/FraggerIndo 14h ago
There were plenty of Germans who truly didnt know what was going on. There are videos and plenty of stories of Allied troops forcing Germans to "tour" the camps as they were liberated.
The moral of the story is two-fold. People arent inherently evil, and tolerating evil because it doesnt effect you, has a way of eventually effecting you.
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u/jimmy_the_angel 12h ago
The general public was aware of what was happening, not specifically the gas chambers, as that developed later, but that people walked to their deaths when they were deported was widely known.
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u/mxkp3441 14h ago
This movie is dog shit wrapped in cat shit wrapped in horse shit wrapped in bullshit. Not because itâs inaccurate like other people say, but because its story is contrived and its âemotionalâ manipulation is forced and laughable at best.
For a film that takes itself so seriously, the characters are more one dimensional and naive than Simple Jack. If I lived in an alternative universe where electrotherapy was never invented, I would watch this movie in order to lobotomize myself.
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u/AloiB001 15h ago
For thoose, who didn't watch it, ahhh, don't. Just don't. Not because it's sad, it's bad. It's a bad Holocaust movie. Just rewatch ,,Schindler's List" or watch ,,Grey Zone" but not this shit film, seriously.
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u/Safe-Breadfruit-1913 2h ago
Never heard of grey zone before. The summary calls to mind a morbid fact. During the nuremberg trials, coerced Jewish laborers known as kapos were accused by the SS in an attempt to get a lighter sentence. Apparently if someone on trial accused and testified to help convict someone else deserving of justice they could get some form of clemency. They would argue that helping them dispose of bodies and lie to prisoners about the safety of the chambers was enough to add them to the trials; a last ditch effort to kill even more jews. Needless to say that did no go over very well with the judges.
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u/Pretty-Yam-2854 16h ago
We watched this in my 7th grade class after reading the book, and again in my 10th grade class after having to read the book again for some reason.
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u/PriscillaPalava 16h ago
The Zone of Interest is a much better (and more accurate) movie with similar subject matter, re, Nazi families living next to the camps.Â
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u/redboi049 15h ago
It's just a heavily toned down depiction of concentration camps. If you want an actually horrific depiction of them, look at the B plot of The Most Precious of Cargos
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u/Jibbyjab123 15h ago
The kids dad is the commandant of dachau. If the kid is older than five he knows what's happening because everyone did. The premise of the book is absurd and humanizes people that enacted a genocide through their direct action. It's a sad movie but overall completely tone deaf if you know anything about holocaust education or it's history.
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u/Automatic-City1466 14h ago
What movie is this? I know itâs not Schindlerâs list.
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u/Maleficent-Sundae839 14h ago
Watched this in an 8th grade social studies class this year. Great sad movie.
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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 13h ago
There's nothing that will make me like a fictional Holocaust story when the truth is painful and emotional enough.
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u/Aggravating-Baker-41 13h ago
Not so easy to shake one' head and not give a shit when it is done to your own people, is it?
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u/TommyBoy250 7h ago
This movie has also been criticized for sort of undermining what the Holocaust was like.
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u/GhostDoggoes 6h ago
I hate this tiktok world man. It's not because it's sad clip but because there are some people that can't take the time to watch a movie specifically about the holocaust that is 2 hours of this. It's such a stupid world we live in. Such a lazy world.
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u/Originality8 6h ago
Both the book and the movie are problematic https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/27/the-boy-in-the-striped-pyjamas-fuels-dangerous-holocaust-fallacies
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u/bibimstop 2h ago
Teaching is the valuable lesson that the Germans didnât know they were doing anything wrong and itâs really sad when a German boy dies⌠waitâŚ
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u/Sweet-Ad863 1h ago
Like the movie "the pianist" same era every movie centered around this topic is a hard watch. I grew up in Germany and didn't know anything about Hitler until I came her at age 20, we were not taught anything about nazis, Hitler in school
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u/Bean_Daddy_Burritos 16h ago
I remember watching it the first time and wondering how the kid just randomly was able to hang out next to the fences with no guards seeing him. Then when the kid broke into the camp I just turned it off. Absolutely ridiculous and wildly misleading.
Movies trash.
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u/Juicyjewsss 16h ago
Well if there was any chance I was ever going to watch this I sure as hell ainât now given how I saw a minute long abridged version
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u/Ok_Possibility9191 15h ago
The Boy In The Striped Pajamas: a story where the holocaust isnât particularly sad until it accidentally kills a little Nazi boy.
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u/Podgietaru 13h ago
My boy Big Joel with a list of reason this film is not so great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNhuqRbahBY
"Fury"
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u/NachoEvans 13h ago
Nah fuck any movie that tries to make you feel bad for nazis
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u/Socailly-awkward 4h ago
I watched this movie back in middle school, and I interpreted the ending as the father finally getting his own taste of his disgusting medicine. We're not supposed to feel bad for the dad, we're supposed to see him finally go through what he's made countless other fathers go through
I do feel bad for the mother, though. Though this wouldn't be the case in real life, the mom had no will in continuing the camps and genocide
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u/PuzzledExaminer 16h ago
Man that had to be scary... I never saw the movie but can imagine the horror....